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<p><a href="/index.php?title=WP:HC&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="WP:HC (Seite nicht vorhanden)">HC</a>: Entferne <a href="/index.php/Kategorie:Wikipedia:Schiedsgericht" title="Kategorie:Wikipedia:Schiedsgericht">Kategorie:Wikipedia:Schiedsgericht</a></p> <p><b>Neue Seite</b></p><div>{{Wikipedia:Schiedsgericht/Archiv-Vorlage}}<br /> &lt;pre&gt;<br /> Session Start: Tue Oct 31 20:02:58 2006<br /> Session Ident: Pyb<br /> [20:02] &lt;sebmol&gt; ok<br /> [20:03] &lt;sebmol&gt; is private ok?<br /> [20:03] &lt;Pyb&gt; yep<br /> [20:03] &lt;sebmol&gt; before we begin, do you agree that I can post the contents of this discussion?<br /> [20:03] &lt;Pyb&gt; yes no problem<br /> [20:03] &lt;sebmol&gt; ok<br /> [20:04] &lt;sebmol&gt; i&#039;m doing research on arbitration committees because we&#039;re considering creating one for german wikipedia<br /> [20:05] &lt;sebmol&gt; are you an arbitrator?<br /> [20:05] &lt;Pyb&gt; yes, since june<br /> [20:05] &lt;sebmol&gt; ok<br /> [20:05] &lt;sebmol&gt; how did you get into this position?<br /> [20:06] &lt;Pyb&gt; it was during the 3rd election<br /> [20:07] &lt;sebmol&gt; how long does your term last?<br /> [20:07] &lt;Pyb&gt; i am arbitrator for 9 month<br /> [20:07] &lt;Pyb&gt; but<br /> [20:07] &lt;Pyb&gt; one moment ;)<br /> [20:08] &lt;sebmol&gt; ok<br /> [20:08] &lt;sebmol&gt; take your time<br /> [20:11] &lt;Pyb&gt; we are in a transition period<br /> [20:11] &lt;Pyb&gt; because our first system didn&#039;t work very well<br /> [20:11] &lt;sebmol&gt; what was it?<br /> [20:11] * sebmol wished he could read french<br /> [20:12] &lt;Pyb&gt; a lot of arbitrators gave up before the term<br /> [20:12] &lt;sebmol&gt; oh<br /> [20:12] &lt;sebmol&gt; why?<br /> [20:12] &lt;Pyb&gt; It&#039;s a lot of work<br /> [20:13] &lt;Pyb&gt; a sysop can do nothing, it&#039;s not a problem<br /> [20:13] &lt;sebmol&gt; ah, ic<br /> [20:13] &lt;Pyb&gt; but an arbitrator cannot do that<br /> [20:13] &lt;sebmol&gt; right<br /> [20:13] &lt;sebmol&gt; so what has changed?<br /> [20:13] &lt;Pyb&gt; so we increased the number of arbitrators<br /> [20:13] &lt;Pyb&gt; 7 to 10<br /> [20:14] &lt;Pyb&gt; but we only need 5 arbitrators for a case<br /> [20:14] &lt;sebmol&gt; ok<br /> [20:14] &lt;sebmol&gt; the term length is generally 9 months?<br /> [20:15] &lt;Pyb&gt; no it&#039;s 6 month<br /> [20:15] &lt;sebmol&gt; but your term is 9?<br /> [20:17] &lt;Pyb&gt; it will be 6 at the end of the transition.<br /> [20:17] &lt;sebmol&gt; ah, ok<br /> [20:17] &lt;sebmol&gt; have you been involved in any cases?<br /> [20:18] &lt;Pyb&gt; yes, there is two stage in the treatment of a case<br /> [20:19] &lt;sebmol&gt; can you elaborate?<br /> [20:19] &lt;Pyb&gt; yes, I don&#039;t find the word in english ;)<br /> [20:21] &lt;sebmol&gt; oh<br /> [20:21] &lt;sebmol&gt; you can try a french word here or there<br /> [20:21] &lt;sebmol&gt; i know a little<br /> [20:21] &lt;Pyb&gt; during the firsst stage arbitrators say if the ArbCom is competent<br /> [20:21] &lt;sebmol&gt; whether it has jurisdiction?<br /> [20:22] &lt;Pyb&gt; if there was no discussion before, we reject the resquest<br /> [20:23] &lt;sebmol&gt; ok<br /> [20:23] &lt;Pyb&gt; because we have also the Requests for comment<br /> [20:23] &lt;sebmol&gt; is that similar to request for comments on english wikipedia_<br /> [20:23] &lt;Pyb&gt; yes<br /> [20:24] &lt;sebmol&gt; ok<br /> [20:24] &lt;sebmol&gt; so you don&#039;t accept cases where no prior attempt has been made to solve the problem<br /> [20:24] &lt;Pyb&gt; yes<br /> [20:24] &lt;Pyb&gt; because otherwise you will have a big amount of cases ;)<br /> [20:25] &lt;sebmol&gt; indeed<br /> [20:25] &lt;Pyb&gt; and the second stage is like the english Voting phase<br /> [20:25] &lt;sebmol&gt; voting phase?<br /> [20:26] &lt;sebmol&gt; what do you do there?<br /> [20:28] &lt;Pyb&gt; each wikipedians present their evidences and arbitrators decide if a wikipedian didn&#039;t respect a wiki-rule or not<br /> [20:29] &lt;sebmol&gt; ok<br /> [20:29] &lt;sebmol&gt; you said, there have to be at least 5 arbitrators involved in a case?<br /> [20:29] &lt;Pyb&gt; yes only 5<br /> [20:30] &lt;Pyb&gt; after each case, we change the group of arbitrators<br /> [20:30] &lt;sebmol&gt; so they don&#039;t decide for themselves, if they want to participate?<br /> [20:31] &lt;Pyb&gt; no<br /> [20:31] &lt;Pyb&gt; but with this system the arbcom is not block because an arbitrator is not here during one or two weeks<br /> [20:32] &lt;Pyb&gt; it was a problem with our previous system<br /> [20:34] &lt;sebmol&gt; ah, ok<br /> [20:34] &lt;sebmol&gt; how many people have to agree on a sanction?<br /> [20:35] &lt;Pyb&gt; sanctions are based on consensus<br /> [20:35] &lt;sebmol&gt; so all arbitrators have to agree?<br /> [20:35] &lt;Pyb&gt; if there is a disagreement we change the sanction to take into account each point of view<br /> [20:36] &lt;sebmol&gt; ah, ok<br /> [20:36] &lt;sebmol&gt; what kind of sanctions do you impose?<br /> [20:36] &lt;Pyb&gt; we are not very imaginative<br /> [20:37] &lt;sebmol&gt; can you be specific?<br /> [20:37] &lt;Pyb&gt; we block the user during X a period, or he should not contribute on some articles<br /> [20:38] &lt;Pyb&gt; we also ask sometimes to do only one revert per twenty four hour period <br /> [20:39] &lt;Pyb&gt; we put on a specific page each decisions to check if users respect sanctions<br /> [20:41] &lt;sebmol&gt; ok<br /> [20:41] &lt;sebmol&gt; how many cases are there in a month or a quarter<br /> [20:43] &lt;Pyb&gt; one second<br /> [20:43] &lt;sebmol&gt; ok<br /> [20:44] &lt;sebmol&gt; take your time<br /> [20:45] &lt;Pyb&gt; we have 5-6 cases per month<br /> [20:46] &lt;sebmol&gt; ok<br /> [20:46] &lt;Pyb&gt; you have the list here http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Comit%C3%A9_d%27arbitrage/Arbitrage/Archives_du_3e_CAr<br /> [20:46] &lt;sebmol&gt; is there anything you would recommend for us?<br /> [20:48] &lt;Pyb&gt; hum, you should have a lot of arbitrators because it&#039;s not a funny task and it is time-conuming<br /> [20:48] &lt;Pyb&gt; consuming<br /> [20:48] &lt;sebmol&gt; ok<br /> [20:48] &lt;sebmol&gt; i hope we&#039;ll be able to do that<br /> [20:49] &lt;Pyb&gt; why de: needs now an ArbCom ?<br /> [20:50] &lt;sebmol&gt; we&#039;re looking into alternatives to our current way of handling user banishments<br /> [20:50] &lt;sebmol&gt; at the moment, users who do not engage in vandalism can only be banned by community vote<br /> [20:51] &lt;sebmol&gt; since that process has become increasingly acrimonious, we want to see, what other options are out there<br /> [20:52] &lt;Pyb&gt; ok<br /> [20:52] &lt;sebmol&gt; is there anything that you would do differently if you had the choice?<br /> [20:53] &lt;Pyb&gt; no<br /> [20:53] &lt;sebmol&gt; do you have any other comments or suggestions?<br /> [20:53] &lt;Pyb&gt; for the moment, no<br /> [20:53] &lt;sebmol&gt; ok<br /> [20:54] &lt;sebmol&gt; then i want to thank you very much for taking the time<br /> [20:54] &lt;Pyb&gt; no problem, ;)<br /> Session Close: Tue Oct 31 20:58:18 2006<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

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